Episode 300 :: Arno Michaelis and Pardeep Singh Kaleka :: The Gift of Our Wounds

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Dhammapada Verse 5
Kalayakkhini Vatthu

Na hi verena verani
sammantidha kudacanam
averena ca sammanti
esa dhammo sanantano.

Hatred never ends through hatred.
By non-hatred alone does it end.
This is an ancient truth.

The Dhammapada: Teachings of the Buddha translated from the Pali by Gil Fronsdal 2008

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And today that conversation is about suffering, and the extinguishing of it. Not the kind you may be thinking of, I’ve seen a great deal of spiritual bypassing just this past week, as ideological purity of Buddhism is held more highly than the very real and demonstrable suffering in our society, in our world. It’s insidiously easy to accept the notion that one’s meditative practice is enough. Turning a blind eye to starvation, war, bigotry, and a host of other ills in a hurting world becomes so seductive that seeing them as “less important” than enlightenment becomes key in the defense of that avoidance of dukkha.

I’m going to suggest that’s a pervasive and perverse ignorance. Suffering is not limited to the realm of ideals; it’s real, it’s here, and Buddhist practice can change hearts and minds. Today’s episode is about the positive influence Buddhism has had in that turning of one man’s life into one of love and compassion, away from hate.

In August 2012, Wade Michael Page, a white supremacist, opened fire in a Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, WI. He murdered six people and wounded four more. One of the men killed that day was Satwant Singh Kaleka, a proud American immigrant and devout Sikh. At the time of the attack, the founder of one of the world’s largest skinhead organizations, had left his racist life behind. When he learned Page came from the same skinhead world he used to live in, he felt a wave of guilt and an immediate need to take action. One of today’s guests, Pardeep, devastated by his father Satwant’s death and infuriated by the attack, was trying to make sense of what happened. His search for answers led him to email Arno, our other guest and former white supremacist. The two men met and connected on a deep level. That first meeting planted a powerful seed, as Arno puts it, “A brown Sikh and a former racist skinhead, together, talking about unity and oneness.” Arno and Pardeep went on to form Serve2Unite, an organization that works to create inclusive, compassionate, and nonviolent climates in schools and communities.

Arno Michaelis

Arno Michaelis is now a speaker, author of My Life After Hate, and works with Serve2Unite. He has appeared on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360”, the BBC, and MSNBC and in The New York Times, The Huffington Post, and The Washington Post, and most recently, “The View”.

Pardeep Singh Kaleka

Pardeep Singh Kaleka has become a powerful voice against hate crime and violence. Pardeep helped found the organization Serve2Unite, which brings together people from different religions and cultural backgrounds. He has appeared on NBC, FOX, CNN, “Democracy Now”, NPR, and Voices on Antisemitism, a podcast series from the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. He is married with four young children.

So, sit back, relax, and have a nice Togetherness tea.

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Ted Meissner

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Ted Meissner is the host of the podcast Present Moment: Mindfulness Practice and Science. He has been a meditator since the early 90’s, has been interviewed for Books and Ideas, Mindful Lives, and The Whole Leader podcasts, spoken about mindfulness with various groups including Harvard Humanist Hub, and has written for Elephant Journal and The International Journal of Whole Person Care. He is the Executive Director of the Secular Buddhist Association, host of the SBA’s official podcast The Secular Buddhist, and is on the Advisory Board for the Spiritual Naturalist Society. Ted’s background is in the Zen and Theravada traditions, he is a regular speaker on interfaith panel discussions, and is interested in examining the evolution of contemplative practice in contemporary culture. Ted teaches Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) at the Center for Mindfulness in Medicine, Health Care & Society, where he is the Manager of Online Programming and Community Development.

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