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Author Topic: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
Dana-
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Post How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: January 20, 2012, 13:57
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Hi all,

Developing compassion for others is a big part of the Buddhist practice. So, what I'm continually coming up against is not if we should develop compassion, or how, but how do we prevent compassion from becoming a burden.

By that I mean as we develop compassion for others, the the amount of suffering in the world becomes can become one's personal suffering as well. Additionally, I have found that paying attention to and compassionate for suffering of others can lead to pessimism and anger at the many causes.

So how do we prevent compassion for others from dragging us down, from getting pessimistic about what is happening in the world, and from getting fed up and angry?

Dana Nourie
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Tom Alan
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on: January 22, 2012, 14:29
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As they say, if you don't love yourself, you won't love other people. There's more to it than self-esteem. Helping others effectively means taking care of ourselves mentally and physically. We don't have to be driven by a need to acquire as much money as we can (which is likely to make us sick rather than rich), but the fact is that in order to donate money we have to have money.

There's a great idea that was expressed in simple terms by the Christian writer G.K. Chesterton, that, in helping others, it's important for us to do what we enjoy. It seems that the atheist Ayn Rand has also said this, or something like it, although her writing is so full of contradictions that it's hard to say. The hero of her novel Fountainhead, an architect, works on a particular project without pay or recognition, claiming that his reward is the work itself. Eventually, he demolishes the place with dynamite – not what you’d call a humanitarian. But the novel makes a point. If you’re looking for a volunteer architect, then one who really likes designing buildings is a better bet than one who can take it or leave it.

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: January 22, 2012, 15:54
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With all the bad things you see you see as well all the progress which has been made and which is possible.
In his most recent book 'Beyond Religion' HH the Dalai Lama writes at the end of chapter "Levels of Compassion": "However, the discomfort that comes from sharing the pain of others is of a quite different order from the direct experience of our own suffering. When you empathize with someone who is in distress, you may initially feel some mental discomfort. But having voluntarily chosen to open yourself to the difficulties of that other person shows courage, and courage imparts confidence. By contrast, when the pain is your own, you have no such freedom an choice. The difference is clear."
I am not yet too clear about this, but I find it interesting.

JohnT
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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: January 27, 2012, 14:24
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This is a question I have encountered in a group discussion. I have also read that compassion needs to be balanced with wisdom. (Not sure if its in the core teachings or a Tibetan/Shambhala add on). Wisdom is like a counter-balance to the weight of compassion but also acts as a reality check. So for example, someone approaches you in the street asking for money. Out of compassion you may want to immediately open your wallet and pull out some notes. Out of wisdom you may first consider your surroundings, the circumstances and even the state of the potential recipient (like are they inebriated in some way in which case giving money might simply encourage them to worsen their own personal suffering).

The same wisdom filter could be applied to more worldly suffering. Wisdom can help us recognise that there are limits to what we can do.

I have found the practice of Tonglen (see Peme Chodron's site http://www.shambhala.org/teachers/pema/tonglen1.php) is a useful tool in that it helps develop compassion but can also prevent it from becoming too overwhelming to the self (maybe the process acts like a safety valve to the conscience?) Needless to say, remember to stay grounded and recognise that there is nothing supernatural in it!

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: February 1, 2012, 12:49
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Recently, Dana, you mentioned elsewhere the experience of going out to weed the garden -- a task you don't enjoy -- and how you found that "just weeding" (no mental grousing about it) made it go much better. That's an excellent model and metaphor for how to prevent compassion from becoming an extra share of suffering for the person generating compassion.

Weeding is. Human misery is. We can accept that these things just are what they are, face them, do them, and not add that extra layer. I think in a way it's a little like meditation for the absolute beginner. The experience (of watching the mind/of going into compassion) is so foreign to us at first and that is what makes it overwhelming ("so noisy!"/"so painful!") but practice lets us gain confidence that we can survive it and eventually get comfortable dealing with what comes up, and practicing letting go of the unnecessary bits we add to the experience.

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: February 2, 2012, 10:52
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Thanks, Linda, that is really helpful. I'll explore that more.

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: February 9, 2012, 10:40
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Dana --
Here I am, participating in a discussion forum! I was just listening to John Peacock talk about "compassion burnout." He advocates making metta a large part of our practice regimen. Without developing an open and accepting friendliness toward ourselves and others, we can't access the joy that serves as a counterbalance to embracing the pain of others. He quotes a Tibetan teacher's metaphor that compassion is a flower that grows from the soil of metta, watered with tears of joy, under the protective shade of equanimity. All four Brahma Viharas support each other and develop best when we cultivate them together.

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: February 9, 2012, 12:13
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Hi Mark,

Thanks! Do you happen to have the link to that Peacock talk? Is it one here on the site? I've not been crazy about some of the metta meditations I've come across, and haven't found them terribly successful, so let me know if you know of any that you like.

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: February 13, 2012, 14:50
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Maybe most of the following isn't very helpful at all, but depending on the situation some of these help me sometimes:

  • Awareness of your own death. You won't be able to help everybody no matter how hard you try. Some day you will die. It's uncertain when this will be, but it is certain that at this day there will be suffering somewhere at the world.
  • containment/modesty. No matter what we do, from a buddhist perspective we shouldn't expect too much.

P.S.: Noah Levine made a distinction between metta that comes from metta-meditation and metta that comes from wisdom. That strongly correlates with my own experience. Maybe this will help you understanding things better.

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: February 19, 2012, 13:43
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When the cabin depressurizes at 35,000 ft the first thing you do is put on your air mask. If you don't you die, your child dies, your neighbor dies.

We are all on the same flight, when you are overwhelmed by the energy needed to be compassionate...start with yourself and work outward as you get more oxygen.

I know its trite, but concise.

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: February 22, 2012, 10:08
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Psychology hasn't embraced metta meditation with anywhere near as much enthusiasm as it has embraced mindfulness. I do know of a case study in which one member of a group of schizophrenic participants was found to benefit from metta. The explanation may have been that it helped with this person's social anxiety.

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on: February 22, 2012, 10:09
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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: May 1, 2012, 14:01
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Quote from Dana Nourie on January 20, 2012, 13:57
So how do we prevent compassion for others from dragging us down, from getting pessimistic about what is happening in the world, and from getting fed up and angry?

"There IS suffering (Not my suffering or your suffering. Just suffering). This suffering should be comprehended. This suffering has been comprehended."

- Gist of something that struck me . From somewhere in the First Discourse, I think, but I'm re-reading everything I read in my drinking days, so forgive the abhorrant lack of citation.

At some point, maybe reading Ajahn Sumedho on the 4 Noble Truths/12 Aspects, it occurred to me that I can't take my suffering personally. I can, all day, but it's like taking the sunshine personally. It's not mine. If I can't take the sunshine personally, I can't very well take the sunshine personally on behalf of someone else.

This has never stopped me from putting sunblock on my children, to prevent sunburn, but I'm a lot less depressed since I realized it's not my job to co-opt that unfathomably deep well of Dukkha.

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: May 3, 2012, 18:19
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Great analogy, Joseph!

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: May 3, 2012, 19:03
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Gosh what a lot of reading i've got to do. I ll do it later, i just want ot respond to dana's good question first off.

I raised something like this with my teacher once. He indicated that you just deal with what's in front of you and when its time for you to act, it will become obvious and you can do it then. You have to keep things in perspective. You can't solve the problems of the world all by yourself.

Somewhere i read once and i wish i had kept hte link about what to do in the world. What do you think is hte most important thing the world needs help with. Then you can figure out how you can participate in that task. It may be in terms of saving the world from self-destruction. It may be saving the starving in Africa. It may be you think that the malaria vaccine is the most importatn. Or it may be that you think getting the buddha's message is the best thing to help the world.

Having decided which problem is greatest or which solution to that problem is the best, you set about joining in that task.

You seem to have chosen buddhism. Are you doing it just for yourself or with the idea that the world can be helped by it. By your participation on this site, you seem to have felt the latter.

This is a bit clumsy but basically its about always choosing hte path where by you think you have most to offer and the greatest result can be found.

you can re-evaluate your choices also. You might come to a conclusion that there are more important ways to help the world than by sharing buddhist teachings and meditation. You might instead decided that jumping on the climate bandwagon might be a better idea. Then you have to figure out if its too late for you to go and retrain or whether you could achieve anything by following htat route anyway. Or you could say well i may not be able to get hte degree and become a scientist to make a difference but perhaps i could do something in another eg like Al gore and his movie which despite its exaggerations, persuaded a lot of people to start taking the issue more seriously.

So its a question of where best you can put your energies. Taking into account your own limitations and talents of course. I think if you head down the path you think most important, you limitations and talents will emerge so you don't need to be sure of those things of the outset but in the case that you do know your limitations and talents, you might as well act accordingly.

So if you are working hard on one way to save or help the world, you should have a bit of compassion for your self and accept that you can't do everything and it all takes time and you can't do it alone.

That said, i always find the lesson of the good samaritan a worthy lesson. If there is someone suffering right in your path, don't walk on by. Stop and do something right there.

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Post Re: How to prevent compassion from becoming a burden?
on: May 3, 2012, 21:22
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Other things to consider are:

the metta podcasts by john peacock are on the audiodhamma website. there are a lot of good talks there.

I think perhaps that because mindfulness came into psychology from tibetan buddhism, metta was not taken up because metta doesn't seem to be a very big part of tibetan buddhism. They've prioritised compassion in the mahayana traditions where as the theravada tradition seems to emphasise metta.

Think about how the buddha practice compassion. Before he became enlightened i didn't see him rushing around trying to help people. His first goal was to attain enlightenment and then it was he felt he had something to give to others. So you have to be mindful of what it is you've got to give in the first place. Taht thing about wisdom, compassion can be done unskillfully but there's always the risk of refusing to help out of misplaced concern that your help might do more harm than good. So its a fine balance and i think most people get this wrong at least some of the time. Even my buddhist teacher told about an occasion when he gave some money to an aboriginal kid and the kid and did something wrong with it. I can't remember the details but my teacher realised he'd made a mistake in giving to this kid. And my teacher is no dummy.

It occurs to me also that people who work merely for money and want to increase their compassion could switch jobs to a career where the contribution to others welfare is greater. Eg a waitress might give up that job and instead go and work for an organisation involved in care or welfare. An IT technician might switch from working for a big company who's interest only seems to be in generating money for their shareholders to one whose more focussed on doing something good for humanity in some way. Someone might become a farmer because growing food is important. But a farmer who grows tobacco might consider stopping that harmful activity and growing vegetables. Or a farmer growing sugar might stop that and grow some other more nutritious crop. At some point you may have to get retraining or get trained.

I"m not suggesting that any of this would be easy. Its just a way of looking at it all.

I certainly do agree that one should feel fully engaged and enjoy one's career path.

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